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戴夫·查佩尔:胜利最终章  David Chappelle: 栋笃最终回(港)

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主演:大卫·查普尔

类型:喜剧脱口秀欧美综艺导演:Stan 状态:1集全 年份:2021 地区:美国 语言:英语 豆瓣ID:35618442热度:720 ℃ 时间:2022-03-27 13:45:27

简介:详情在一系列喜剧特辑的尾声,戴夫站上舞台,企图澄清一下事实,再说几句不吐不快的话...

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    在一系列喜剧特辑的尾声,戴夫站上舞台,企图澄清一下事实,再说几句不吐不快的话
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    馋嘴

    "I started a fund for my dead friend daughter...she is very young........I hope to be alive when she turns 21 because I am going to give her those money myself. And by then, by then, I will be ready to had a conversation that I am not ready to have today. That I will tell that little girl. 'young lady, I know your father and he was a wonderful WOMAN ......(关于他自杀的变性男性盆友)

    我同时流了眼泪与大笑~

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    白田

    这场被网飞到处举报下架,动用花式搜索才找到。

    脱口秀演员Trevor有次和Dave一起表演,非常紧张,担心自己不够搞笑。Dave对他说,(大意)干这行的,搞笑的人太多了。人们不是因为你特别能搞笑,而是因为你有趣aka你独有的经历和所思才来看演出。这段话对Trevor克服脱口秀演员的一大噩梦——“他们没在笑!”起到了作用,他知道,只要观众还在认真听就可以了。

    nDave Chappelle的演出是这样的。他并不最搞笑的,但他吸引人听他讲话,并引发对他本人的好奇。

    我很明显地感觉到,他讲一些段子特别是黄段子,纯粹为了娱乐观众,套路式引爆笑声,挣钱糊口。大多时间里,他应该都不是在想怎么创造出更多的黄段子出来。nn因为好奇,大概了解了一下他的人生,两个想法。

    第一,求真的人本来就与名利无缘,太难过的话,就太天真了。

    第二,有些事情懂得了,但是太晚了。孩子生了两个,不得不挣钱;把黑人平权标签死死焊在身上,只好抗住。

    这场里,讲得最好是关于犹太人和黑人的段子。至于LGBTQ,和阶级、种族比起来,本来就是用不着那么多公共资源去讨论的时代议题。他谈论这些群体,因为身在当代的舆论场,不得不被拖下场回应。

    犹太人和黑人。他们都经历过非人的生活,他们逃离,又回到来时的地方,想要占领和统治,包括和他们曾经处境一样的人。

    为什么人会这么做?

    因为人想要的根本不是公平正义,既不是自己的,也不是别人的。人只想做一个,在现有的奖励制度(incentive)下,做一个“成功人士”。

    无论是cancel culture/zzzq,还是追求做个“成功人士”,你我都清楚,这不过是表述上的差别。哪里都一样。

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    二丙

    -我讲了一个好段子,绝了真的好棒!-但别误解啊,求你们好好听听我在说什么。-哈,你们说我在打压你们?-可我好朋友死了我的段子死了我的生涯死了。-求你们不要打压喜剧……

    最大感觉就是他真的很努力在说好脱口秀了,就差跪在地上求大家-认真听别人说说话吧。听话听音,这么一个天才,明明可以轻松的炸场,可现在就很累很疲惫。且看且珍惜,这一代的脱口秀演员们越来越少了。

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    站着说话

    今天回来翻翻评论,看到唯二两篇长评清一色的五星,在这里整理了一些外网把我个人对此特辑的想法整理比较好的影评,以供大家参考。

    1) trans community 对此的回应

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix

    2) “Dave Chappelle can kiss my Black gay ass”

    https://www.washingtonblade.com/2021/10/08/dave-chappelle-can-kiss-my-black-gay-ass/?__cf_chl_managed_tk__=pmd_v_AIvrVZSMTzpb6pIK9vz9sZ75YWczElvoielECeyQg-1634294459-0-gqNtZGzNA1CjcnBszRUl

    3) 对cancel culture的探讨

    What Goes Up: Dave Chappelle, Transphobi... pastemagazine.com

    4)“the colour of queerness”

    Column: What I want Dave Chappelle to un... latimes.com

    5) 喜剧演员Hannah Gadsby对Netflix CEO 太极拳回应

    6)10.28更新:看到了一个比较好的讨论这个特辑的油管视频

    https://youtu.be/jiJQV378F5A

    7) 貌似是dave自己的一个回应

    https://youtu.be/rhtVszSdoXA

    8)10.30更新: 前面那个油管主对展开事件的讨论

    https://youtu.be/kDxv9yMNZow

    9)Daphne的室友讲述此事件经过

    https://www.transadvocate.com/why-i-support-cancelnetflix-its-not-because-chapelle-is-offensive_n_64606.htm

    ……

    以下是我自己的一些思考:

    其实在喜剧里老老实实遵守所谓的“政治正确”的人从来不是多数人,随便去个喜剧俱乐部里面讲得东西能放得到台面上的也是少之又少。在此次特辑之前,我对Dave的观感也不是很差,无论是他行云流水的控场能力还是一层层掩埋好等待后续再一一解开的伏笔和笑梗,都是在一般表面以及平白直叙的单口喜剧界很新颖的。我自诩还算看过比较多的单口,Dave的冒犯三俗程度在我看来并不是在所有单口喜剧内的巅峰,虽然stick and stone 并不是我个人的GOAT,但我也能欣赏并被Dave的技巧所折服。

    也正因如此,我几乎是在这部特辑刚出时就立刻观看了,彼时豆瓣不知为何连词条都无。我个人认为这部特辑拉的原因有三点,一是炒冷饭,二是不连贯,三是断章取义。

    炒冷饭也许大家也能感受到。这部特辑无论是在节奏把握或是在内容选材上就是在炒冷饭,无论是Dave反复的把自己的以前的段子翻出来解释(真实意义上的炒冷饭),还是将以前讲过的元素,比如跨性别朋友的段子就曾出现在他以前某部特辑中,亦或是有些和Reddit上transphobic言论异常相像的段子,都透露着浓浓的似曾相识的味道。

    不连贯这点在于整部喜剧的逻辑思维模式。单口喜剧往往是最没有逻辑(比如一些演员们跳跃性,金句式表演)甚至是意识流(提名Dylan Moran),但整体的人设(如果有的话)总归是有连续性的。Dave在此之前一直给我的观感为戏谑的,不拘小节的,有时愤世嫉俗但总体是睿智和尖利的。但这部特辑完完全全将这个印象打碎了,从“LBGTQ”开始我就意识到肯定又哪里不对,再到“I am team TERF”我已经完全懵了。作为一位对酷儿理论以及女权有一定了解的人,我当即的反应就是 “wtf are you talking about Dave”。诚然,这种人设崩塌的观感是非常个人的,每个人对Dave在台上的理解也不同,但我不能理解的是Dave对他自己讲过的笑话的斤斤计较,甚至这特辑的后半场完全就是一场“i am not transphobic because i have trans friend”的虚弱防守。我并不是没有看过“无知”的演员,Jim Jefferies也许是一个比较好的例子,他从不标榜自己是多么的看破世俗以及尖锐,甚至他会自己取笑自己的浅薄,这也使得他对政治的一些洞察更有一种“大智若愚”的感觉。但Dave 在此特辑中展现的是一种居高临下的说教,无论是惊奇状展现“The definition of feminist”还是对LGBTQ群体错误地转称—“LBGTQ”,都透露着一种门外汉的捉襟见肘,听到石墙运动的部分甚至颇有点大腹便便的异性恋中年男人向你解释“什么才是同性恋”的味道。再者就是整体表述的“同理心”主旨。抱歉Dave我真没感受到,假如说《Nannette》意图解构喜剧内核呼唤社会共情的话,此番简直是一场Dave本人没有意识到自己讽刺的讽刺剧。最显著的一点莫过于在大声激呼“Empathy is bisexual, it goes both way”之后,Dave拒绝使用mtf好友的人称代词亦或是其自认为的社会性别,以“Your father, he is a great women”作为结尾。让本人终于因为讽刺而在观看过程中唯一一次放声大笑。

    由于本人也不住在漂亮国,对漂亮国的历史也不算太了解,年龄估计也不在Dave的目标观众内,最后经过几番研究才发现Dave在此特辑中有意的断章取义。在这里举两个例子。

    1) 断章取义

    “Why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name?”

    Because it has been 60 years?

    2)Kevin Hart 主持Oscar 事件

    A Complete Timeline of Kevin Hart's Osca... google.com.au

    (很令人惊奇的是,在当事人都已经承认自己错误的时候,Dave断定是咱LBGTQ把可怜Kevin扯下台)

    3)10. 30 更新:Daphne 室友讲述经过

    大家自己评判一下,咱Dave是不是她朋友

    https://www.transadvocate.com/why-i-support-cancelnetflix-its-not-because-chapelle-is-offensive_n_64606.htm

    在这次特辑,将Daphne自杀事件表述为一种"为了为我说话"的结果,是不是脸皮有点厚??

    以下是上面链接内Daphne 原室友的回应:

    "People ask me if she killed herself because of Dave Chapelle (henceforth called DC) mentioning her in his 2019 special because she ended her life just one week after it came out. Daphne met DC at a comedy club while he was performing. He was telling controversial jokes, and she laughed because she always had a dark sense of humor. But Daphne never told racist jokes or punched down on groups of people. Instead, she used humor to heal from pain; she told self-deprecating jokes and used humor to educate people about trans issues. She never used humor to be hateful.n

    Before DC’s 2019 special, he really buttered her up, promising to mentor her and take her under his wings. I was suspicious of his antics and didn’t really appreciate his style of humor, but I was happy for Daphne if she was happy.n

    I watched part of DC’s 2019 special when it came out because Daphne was so excited for it, but I couldn’t even finish it because I felt like it was so offensive to different marginalized groups. But I didn’t want to criticize it because I knew Daphne was excited for the shoutout, even though the mention of her was so quick you could miss it.n

    Then after Daphne died, it was crickets from Dave Chapelle for months and years after it happened. When a group of her theatre/comedy friends threw a memorial for her in San Francisco, DC didn’t say anything. When her funeral in Pennsylvania happened a couple months later, DC’s team hadn’t reached out to her friends or family. When we planned another memorial for her in SF, we didn’t hear anything from his team. It was like if he said something about her, he would admit that he was responsible for her death.n

    I’m not going to say I know for sure 100% that Dave Chapelle making fun of Daphne in his 2019 special is what caused her death. I don’t think it was the leading cause, but who knows. Daphne had PTSD from a life of trauma, and she had battled suicidal thoughts for years. I think the final blow was a combination of her losing custody of her daughter, losing her job, and dealing with a lot of transphobic harassment on the streets of San Francisco. I lived with her, and yet I didn’t know how bad she was feeling.n

    I heard from a friend that Dave Chapelle mentioned her last year in a stand-up comedy routine, and he said how he let her open for one of his stand-up routines but that she “bombed it.” For him to patronize her, demean her, and minimize her talent AFTER her death is cruel and crass. For him to invoke her name as a free pass to continue being transphobic is beyond fucked up.n

    In the latest Netflix special, he starts his piece about trans people with “I’m not saying trans women aren’t women” but then calls trans vaginas “beyond pussy”. And he says he is a TERF and describes himself as transphobic MULTIPLE TIMES. He mentioned the story of when he met Daphne and when he invited her to open for him. He said that he didn’t know she was an amateur. He says she was dressed well for the performance and admitted, “I’m transphobic, and even I think she looked nice.” OKAY, TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.n

    “This bitch bombed for 45 min straight… that show was terrible… but here’s what impressed me… Any other comedian I’ve ever seen, if they bombed as bad as she did, would have snuck out of the theater and gone on home and cried. But she found a seat right in front… she laughed hard like (she didn’t bomb). She was talking to me while I was performing like she was watching the TV alone, but the crowd didn’t like that shit because she sucked….”n

    And then Daphne told a joke to a heckler, and then they went back and forth and told jokes. DC speaks about a touching moment they had together, but then he says her performance “stunk” again. That’s what 4 times he said she wasn’t funny?! This is how you speak about your dead “friend”? Then he [suddenly] realized she was funny after the performance because she genuinely interacted with the audience. After the show, he said when she hugged him, he pushed her off violently because “I’m transphobic.”n

    DC: “My friend Daphne killed herself…She identifies as a woman _____[Then he describes how she killed herself],___ clearly only a man would do some gangster shit like that!”

    I don’t even know how he found that out because her friends and family didn’t say that publicly. After all, IT’S PRIVATE AND PAINFUL! And beyond that, studies have shown that mentioning how people kill themselves only causes more suicides. But Dave doesn’t care.n

    He continues..“As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, Daphne would have loved that joke” Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn’t, but SHE KILLED HERSELF AND CAN’T DEFEND HERSELF ANYMORE! He goes on to say, “I don’t know what the trans community did for her, and I don’t care because she was my tribe.”n

    He says Daphne killed herself because trans people were criticizing her on Twitter… So he’s blaming trans people for causing her death? WTF. That’s some next-level victim-blaming and gaslighting.n

    He ends his mockery of her by saying he wants to tell Daphne’s daughter, “I knew your father, and HE was a wonderful woman.”n

    Dave Chapelle doesn’t give a fuck about trans people. He deliberately goes out of his way to make fun of us, even making fun of his alleged friend AFTER her death.n

    If you are reading this and made it this far, please take a moment to ask Netflix to remove this hateful special. Not because it might offend trans people, but because it might inspire more people to end their life.n

    Daphne Dorman deserved better."

    是谁不听谁说话?是谁是这件事情的受害者?

    ……n

    最后,我想说,你当然有喜欢这部特辑的权利,从现在的豆瓣评分以及imdb评分来看大部分人并没有觉得这部特辑哪里有问题。这篇长评也不是为了指责或者是cancel Dave本人或者其粉丝。

    我只是觉得惊讶,一位在一次次阐述美国黑人困境的,企图揭露种族歧视事实的人,会对另一部分少数群体境况如此的冷漠与无知。

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    itchybear

    严格意义上讲,我不是 Dave Chappelle 的粉丝,所以对他的新专场并没有太大兴趣。

    直到美国左派团体要求奈飞下架,我立刻去看。

    在总长 72 分钟的表演里,如果你有耐心听完前面 40 多分钟相对不大好笑的部分,到结尾前那个令人捧腹又心碎的故事开始,你才发现,前面的冗长沉闷,明明是一场密谋的草蛇灰线。

    如果只从喜剧的角度出发,或许有人觉得意识形态表达过多,甚至根本就是演员本人的一碗苦水,但我认为,以当今美国舆论的政治化语境来看,作为 S+ 级(甚至许多人心中史上最伟大)的单口喜剧演员,何苦走这么一遭吃力不讨好的「逆行」?因为谁去扛这只犯众怒的炸药包,谁就要面临断送职业生涯的风险。

    当然,也可以理解为大哥到年纪到地位了,他不扛谁扛?这些危险而必要的话,他再不说,还有谁说?

    但你我都应该明白,这般沉重艰难的责任,只能自觉自愿。

    我的感受是,作为 S+ 级的单口喜剧演员、可能是本世代最伟大的喜剧大师,Dave Chappelle 没有沉浸在「众人皆醉我独醒」的失败主义幻梦中,也没有藏在大多数同行选择的机会主义沉默堡垒中自保(没有他们必须出来发声的意思),而是直面当今美国最危险的敌人,用自己毕生所学,以复杂之技艺、以无畏之胆识、以诗意之精神,向其开炮。

    如果言论自由的旗帜终将降下,那么 Dave Chappelle 的这场谢幕表演,是战斗到最后一刻的那颗子弹。

    演出最终在 I Will Survive 中作结,这首片尾曲作为何种主义的化身与立场表达,已不必赘述。

    以前看其他专场甚至年轻时奉为神作的表演,我都不大感冒,但从今天起,我是他的粉丝。

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